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Chase Perkins, the founder of, joined Christian Keroles for a rare in-person interview at the Bitcoin 2021 event in Miami.

Perkins is building a Layer 3 technology on top of the Bitcoin Lightning Network, which unlocks Lightning-based applications. is building an API which would unlock the Lightning app layer and create apps that are censorship resistant, permissionless and utilize Lighting keys as identity. This is the next step in Lightning and Bitcoin, offering an alternative infrastructure to the entire traditional internet stack. Projects like this demonstrate that we are moving into a world where the internet is built on top of the Bitcoin blockchain and Impervious is a promising project building tools to make Lightning-based apps possible.